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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Ronald Reagan, from 1981 - Grenada invasion - 1983
George HW Bush, from 1989 - Gulf war - 1990
Bill Clinton, from 1993 - Serbia war - 1994
George W. Bush, from 2001 - Iraq 2003
Barrack Obama, from 2009 - Libya 2011
Donald Trump, from 2017 - ??????? - 4th year now...


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Orange Man Bad wrote:Ronald Reagan, from 1981 - Grenada invasion - 1983
George HW Bush, from 1989 - Gulf war - 1990
Bill Clinton, from 1993 - Serbia war - 1994
George W. Bush, from 2001 - Iraq 2003
Barrack Obama, from 2009  - Libya 2011
Donald Trump, from 2017 - ??????? - 4th year now...


Orange Man Bad???

He's even worse because he was elected to stop such policies. He promissed to bring the troops home. He based his campaign on this:



Also, don't be mistaken. Sanctions he put on Syria, Venezuela or Iran are just another way how to declare and wage war on other countries. Economic war and terrorism. It's a tool of coward and throughout rotten douchebag. He failed completely to deliver his promisses and now he's invading his own country.

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Post by Böhse Tante Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:22 pm

Orange Man Bad wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:

So yes, US was very racist country till late 60s. At some parts of the country at least. And it does not matter if it was seen as normal back in the days. Slavery was seen as normal back in the days as well. It desn't mean we won't call it slavery because it is description by today's standards.

How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

Which countries were that? Last things I remember from history lessons that there was feudalism in Europe even before independence of USA. 

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

Ceterum censeo Imperium Americanum esse delendum.

Die Lage ist hoffnungslos aber nicht ernst.
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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Post by Böhse Tante Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:36 pm

Orange Man Bad wrote:
boris wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:


How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

which country in Europe had slaves longer than the US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#1850%E2%80%931899

OK, thank you, this confirms my concern that I don't have to take your contributions very seriously. Wikipedia as proof, sorry, no. Equating slavery with serfdom shows little historical knowledge. It may be that certain countries like to portray it that way, but that has its unscientific reasons.

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

Ceterum censeo Imperium Americanum esse delendum.

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Post by 刘汉 Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:36 pm

Böhse Tante wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:

So yes, US was very racist country till late 60s. At some parts of the country at least. And it does not matter if it was seen as normal back in the days. Slavery was seen as normal back in the days as well. It desn't mean we won't call it slavery because it is description by today's standards.

How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

Which countries were that? Last things I remember from history lessons that there was feudalism in Europe even before independence of USA. 

Question Question Question

I answer in German: Er vergleicht "Leibeigenschaft" mit "Sklaverei". Dann kommt er tatsächlich auf ähnliche Daten in Europa. Aber Diskussionen mit ihm sind schwierig.

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Post by 刘汉 Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:51 pm

Böhse Tante wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:
boris wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:


How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

which country in Europe had slaves longer than the US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#1850%E2%80%931899

OK, thank you, this confirms my concern that I don't have to take your contributions very seriously. Wikipedia as proof, sorry, no. Equating slavery with serfdom shows little historical knowledge. It may be that certain countries like to portray it that way, but that has its unscientific reasons.

Rolling Eyes

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I didn't know the word "serfdom" for "Leibeigenschaft", but that's exactly, what I told you.

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Post by Orange Man Bad Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:04 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:Ronald Reagan, from 1981 - Grenada invasion - 1983
George HW Bush, from 1989 - Gulf war - 1990
Bill Clinton, from 1993 - Serbia war - 1994
George W. Bush, from 2001 - Iraq 2003
Barrack Obama, from 2009  - Libya 2011
Donald Trump, from 2017 - ??????? - 4th year now...


Orange Man Bad???

He's even worse because he was elected to stop such policies. He promissed to bring the troops home. He based his campaign on this:



Also, don't be mistaken. Sanctions he put on Syria, Venezuela or Iran are just another way how to declare and wage war on other countries. Economic war and terrorism. It's a tool of coward and throughout rotten douchebag. He failed completely to deliver his promisses and now he's invading his own country.

Not really. So, you're saying wars were the better choice. You were against war and you were smelling it in the air just like I did.
All of them promised peace - didn't they? Hey some got the Nobel price for peace - right?
I know war - I was lucky myself not to ever be in one. But my family suffered deeply and their stories will stay with me as long as I live.
Nothing is worse than war.

At least on this line Trump delivered and I don't even recall him preaching world peace.

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Post by Zambeezi Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:06 pm

member asswipe Brett McGurk? i do.

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Post by Orange Man Bad Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:15 pm

Böhse Tante wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:
boris wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:


How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

which country in Europe had slaves longer than the US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#1850%E2%80%931899

OK, thank you, this confirms my concern that I don't have to take your contributions very seriously. Wikipedia as proof, sorry, no. Equating slavery with serfdom shows little historical knowledge. It may be that certain countries like to portray it that way, but that has its unscientific reasons.

Rolling Eyes
I'm sorry the smartest of the smartest is not satisfied by the humble evidence I produced and because I'm too lazy now to do her homework.

Edit - one reference only will save me from your wrath?
http://www.varromskahistoria.se/en/500-years-slavery


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Post by Böhse Tante Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:22 pm

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Highlights from Trumps speech:

- Permanent US presence on the Moon from 2024
- Then going to Mars
- Contracts for construction already awarded
- Most powerful weapons ever already designed, and Trump has seen the plans

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Reminds me of Hitler's "Wunderwaffe" he talked about short before everything went shit.

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

Ceterum censeo Imperium Americanum esse delendum.

Die Lage ist hoffnungslos aber nicht ernst.
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Post by boris Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:26 pm

Orange Man Bad wrote:Ronald Reagan, from 1981 - Grenada invasion - 1983
George HW Bush, from 1989 - Gulf war - 1990
Bill Clinton, from 1993 - Serbia war - 1994
George W. Bush, from 2001 - Iraq 2003
Barrack Obama, from 2009  - Libya 2011
Donald Trump, from 2017 - ??????? - 4th year now...


Orange Man Bad???

They are all bad, they all serve the same masters.

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Post by KneelB4Zod! Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:27 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Complete chaos...



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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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Post by Orange Man Bad Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:35 pm

boris wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:Ronald Reagan, from 1981 - Grenada invasion - 1983
George HW Bush, from 1989 - Gulf war - 1990
Bill Clinton, from 1993 - Serbia war - 1994
George W. Bush, from 2001 - Iraq 2003
Barrack Obama, from 2009  - Libya 2011
Donald Trump, from 2017 - ??????? - 4th year now...


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They are all bad, they all serve the same masters.
Some more than others. And not quite the same masters.

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Post by Mr Badger Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:38 pm

Live from Colorado Springs - tear gas and rubber bullets:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMKgQRNLWeJL?q=protest

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Post by KneelB4Zod! Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:41 pm

Orange Man Bad wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:
Orange Man Bad wrote:Ronald Reagan, from 1981 - Grenada invasion - 1983
George HW Bush, from 1989 - Gulf war - 1990
Bill Clinton, from 1993 - Serbia war - 1994
George W. Bush, from 2001 - Iraq 2003
Barrack Obama, from 2009  - Libya 2011
Donald Trump, from 2017 - ??????? - 4th year now...


Orange Man Bad???

He's even worse because he was elected to stop such policies. He promissed to bring the troops home. He based his campaign on this:



Also, don't be mistaken. Sanctions he put on Syria, Venezuela or Iran are just another way how to declare and wage war on other countries. Economic war and terrorism. It's a tool of coward and throughout rotten douchebag. He failed completely to deliver his promisses and now he's invading his own country.

Not really. So, you're saying wars were the better choice. You were against war and you were smelling it in the air just like I did.
All of them promised peace - didn't they? Hey some got the Nobel price for peace - right?
I know war - I was lucky myself not to ever be in one. But my family suffered deeply and their stories will stay with me as long as I live.
Nothing is worse than war.

At least on this line Trump delivered and I don't even recall him preaching world peace.

No, my friend. Sanctions are worse than war because they are aimed mainly against civilians and their only meaning is to make them suffer as much, and as long, as they won't take it anymore and will be willing to overthrow their government tha IS NOT responsible for their suffering. In war you have a chance to defend yourself. Agains sanctions, if you're not Russia, China and handful other, mostly selfsuficient countries, you have no defense.

Trump Has Murdered Over 40,000 Venezuelans With Sanctions

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/april/26/trump-has-murdered-over-40-000-venezuelans-with-sanctions/



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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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