Re: #53 - Main news thread - conflicts, terrorism, crisis from around the globe

[KneelB4Zod!]

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

[Orange Man Bad]

So yes, US was very racist country till late 60s. At some parts of the country at least. And it does not matter if it was seen as normal back in the days. Slavery was seen as normal back in the days as well. It desn't mean we won't call it slavery because it is description by today's standards.

How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

But that was not my point. My point was we call slavery as slavery regardless the fact it was norm at the time of practice. It was counterargument to yours: "Labeling someone who lived 50 years ago racist using today's standards doesn't sound very professional to me."

"some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later" - please example. Not sarcastic or anything. Just curious.

Check the wiki link I posted above.
Gypsies were slaves in Moldavia and Wallachia until 1857
Portugal and Netherlands colonies for example. Netherland abolition in colonies was gradual over 10 years starting 1863

1814 - Netherlands bans slave trading
1819 - Portugal abolishes slave trade north of the equator
1861 - Netherlands abolishes slavery in Dutch Caribbean colonies
1862 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln proclaims emancipation of slaves with effect from January 1, 1863; 13th Amendment of U.S. Constitution follows in 1865 banning slavery

"Slavery was eventually abolished in 1863, although slaves were only released after a ten-year transitory period in 1873.[5] This spurred the immigration of indentured labourers from British India, after a treaty to that effect had been signed between the Netherlands and the United Kingdom in 1870. Apart from immigration from British India, Javanese workers from the Dutch East Indies were also contracted to work on plantations in Surinam.[6] At the same time, a largely unsuccessful attempt to colonize Surinam with impoverished farmers from the Netherlands was started as well."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinam_(Dutch_colony)#Abolition_of_slavery

[boris]

[Orange Man Bad]

And that's why love to be a Slav. We had no slaves, no colonies. We, Slavs, no pussies. u know?

But really, it's a mix of slavery, segregation and now common hiden racism what I'm talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kholop
"A kholop (Russian: холо́п, IPA: [xɐˈlop]) was a feudally dependent person in Russia between the 10th and early 18th centuries. Their legal status was close to that of slaves.[1]"
". A kholop’s master had unlimited power over his life, e.g., he could kill him, sell him, or pay his way out of debt with him. "

Not as long as the west but still, just about one century short...

[boris]

So yes, US was very racist country till late 60s. At some parts of the country at least. And it does not matter if it was seen as normal back in the days. Slavery was seen as normal back in the days as well. It desn't mean we won't call it slavery because it is description by today's standards.

How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

But that was not my point. My point was we call slavery as slavery regardless the fact it was norm at the time of practice. It was counterargument to yours: "Labeling someone who lived 50 years ago racist using today's standards doesn't sound very professional to me."

"some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later" - please example. Not sarcastic or anything. Just curious.

Check the wiki link I posted above.
Gypsies were slaves in Moldavia and Wallachia until 1857
Portugal and Netherlands colonies for example. Netherland abolition in colonies was gradual over 10 years starting 1863

1814 - Netherlands bans slave trading
1819 - Portugal abolishes slave trade north of the equator
1861 - Netherlands abolishes slavery in Dutch Caribbean colonies
1862 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln proclaims emancipation of slaves with effect from January 1, 1863; 13th Amendment of U.S. Constitution follows in 1865 banning slavery

"Slavery was eventually abolished in 1863, although slaves were only released after a ten-year transitory period in 1873.[5] This spurred the immigration of indentured labourers from British India, after a treaty to that effect had been signed between the Netherlands and the United Kingdom in 1870. Apart from immigration from British India, Javanese workers from the Dutch East Indies were also contracted to work on plantations in Surinam.[6] At the same time, a largely unsuccessful attempt to colonize Surinam with impoverished farmers from the Netherlands was started as well."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinam_(Dutch_colony)#Abolition_of_slavery

hmmm, what is your point? Slavery was ok because it was still ok somewhere else in the world? But how many Africans were sent to the USA for slavery?
was that ok for you?

[boris]

So yes, US was very racist country till late 60s. At some parts of the country at least. And it does not matter if it was seen as normal back in the days. Slavery was seen as normal back in the days as well. It desn't mean we won't call it slavery because it is description by today's standards.

How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda.

But that was not my point. My point was we call slavery as slavery regardless the fact it was norm at the time of practice. It was counterargument to yours: "Labeling someone who lived 50 years ago racist using today's standards doesn't sound very professional to me."

"some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later" - please example. Not sarcastic or anything. Just curious.

Check the wiki link I posted above.
Gypsies were slaves in Moldavia and Wallachia until 1857
Portugal and Netherlands colonies for example. Netherland abolition in colonies was gradual over 10 years starting 1863

1814 - Netherlands bans slave trading
1819 - Portugal abolishes slave trade north of the equator
1861 - Netherlands abolishes slavery in Dutch Caribbean colonies
1862 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln proclaims emancipation of slaves with effect from January 1, 1863; 13th Amendment of U.S. Constitution follows in 1865 banning slavery

"Slavery was eventually abolished in 1863, although slaves were only released after a ten-year transitory period in 1873.[5] This spurred the immigration of indentured labourers from British India, after a treaty to that effect had been signed between the Netherlands and the United Kingdom in 1870. Apart from immigration from British India, Javanese workers from the Dutch East Indies were also contracted to work on plantations in Surinam.[6] At the same time, a largely unsuccessful attempt to colonize Surinam with impoverished farmers from the Netherlands was started as well."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinam_(Dutch_colony)#Abolition_of_slavery

hmmm, what is your point? Slavery was ok because it was still ok somewhere else in the world? But how many Africans were sent to the USA for slavery?
was that ok for you?

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery/chronology-who-banned-slavery-when-idUSL1561464920070322
US is last on the list.
Wonder why there is so many Africans-Americans in the US but not so many Africans-Europeans in Europe.
Slavery was evil and most of it was from African to the USA in the modern era.
Are you trying to say you cant call out the US for slavery because it happened in other places at other times?
A few days ago you were calling out China for the protests there and saying they were heavy handed and now you are saying??????

[boris]

[boris]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks

[Orange Man Bad]

hmmm, what is your point? Slavery was ok because it was still ok somewhere else in the world? But how many Africans were sent to the USA for slavery?
was that ok for you?


Are you trying to say you cant call out the US for slavery because it happened in other places at other times?
A few days ago you were calling out China for the protests there and saying they were heavy handed and now you are saying??????

Where do you see I said slavery is or was ok???
I am just saying that we are not far and should watch our past first instead of attacking other for something our ancestors did as well.
There is racism today in US, there is in Europe and it is present most everywhere in the world being part of the human nature like violence, greed and others.
At least US didn't mass kill their black people like we, the good ol' Europeans killed the jews and gypsies.
It is something we all want to get rid of or we just say we want, but hiding the truth and blaming others is not the way.

[Orange Man Bad]

Trump paid actors:

LA Riots 2.0 pic.twitter.com/TGhpKyDu2I

— Nakeethus Hunter

[boris]

you said....
"How quaint is that when people talk about slavery they only think about US and I rarely hear any mention about Europe where some countries abolished slavery around the same time or even later.
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda"

[Orange Man Bad]

you said....
It only becomes a theme when it is convenient to push a certain political agenda"

Exactly - and I stand by it.
Digging everything someone says, inventing nonexistent associations, is only for political gain, not because they actually give a shit about it.

Was Obama labeled racist because he took pictures with Farrakhan?

I am not trying to derail the thread or deviate in whattaboutism here but just to point out hypocrisy. And with that I'm done.

[Mr Badger]

Struggling to find live streams at the moment. This is 9News, I think it's Denver:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GinuxhHgNoY

Also live police from St Paul here: https://www.broadcastify.com/webPlayer/13544

[Zambeezi]

George Stinney Jr, He was only 14 years old when he was executed in an electric chair. He was accused of killing two white girls, 11-Year-old Betty, and Mary of 7, At that time, all members of the jury were white. His innocence was finally proven by a judge in South Carolina. pic.twitter.com/xghQaAo1pN

— // ACAB (@ReaIChaIameet) May 28, 2020

THIS NEEDS TO STOP. THIS “OFFICER” WAS BEATING A 14 year old black girl. #BlackLivesMatter this is pissing me the fuck out. pic.twitter.com/XlKnWtL7Ce

— ariana baby (@sheisentire) May 28, 2020

everything is fine now.
we're much better.
unless they loot.

[Zambeezi]

Black militias are guarding black owned businesses with automatic rifles pic.twitter.com/YIzyHixFWc

— Zoomer Clips (@ZoomerClips) May 28, 2020

[Zambeezi]

No American should have to choose between security or freedom. I’ll be voting NO on the reauthorization of Patriot Act/FISA provisions because it fails to protect our civil liberties and 4th Amendment constitutional rights. pic.twitter.com/Ywo1DtrVEJ

— Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) May 28, 2020

why even BOTHER to post this piece by Gabbard??

now read this: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/28/pelosi-accused-trying-do-end-run-around-her-own-party-sending-spy-powers-bill

still the same ol shit. Trump pretends his 'reluctance'. It's a game.
McConnell is in on it. Pelosi is in on it. Nothing is 'fixed'.

[Orange Man Bad]

George Floyd was a Covid-19 victim:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/29/george-floyd-died-police-restraint-combined-health/

Preliminary findings from a Tuesday autopsy conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,”

[Orange Man Bad]

Struggling to find live streams at the moment. This is 9News, I think it's Denver:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GinuxhHgNoY

Also live police from St Paul here: https://www.broadcastify.com/webPlayer/13544

Facebook live stream from DC here:
https://www.facebook.com/Breitbart/videos/279658263422449/
Some twitter reports say WH in lockdown

White House has gone under lock down following orders from the US Secret Service due to protests outside of the gates over the death of George Floyd per @MarioDParker.

— Doge (@IntelDoge) May 29, 2020

Now confirmed by RT:
https://www.rt.com/usa/490199-white-house-lockdown-floyd-protests/

[Zambeezi]

for me this sums up Trump's loot/shoot position:


It's completely upside down...
like our foreign policy. spit.

[Orange Man Bad]

Protests at CNN headquarters as well:

The windows at CNN’s headquarters in Atlanta are being smashed in. One might say the chickens have come home to roost. pic.twitter.com/J1BtAdNkGc

— Mark Dice (@MarkDice) May 29, 2020

The Black community in MN is calling out white Antifa members for starting the riots and destroying their communities. I keep telling y’all these white liberals are not our friends. #Democrats #GeorgeFloyd #minneapolis pic.twitter.com/bmdT6uHfUc

— Angela Stanton King (@theangiestanton) May 29, 2020

[Zambeezi]

French navy is now been pressured & ordered by US & UN to block n stop any oil export from #Haftar controlled territory. Only #GNA government can export Libya oil. https://t.co/lgX5rWGzn8

— Aden Abdi (@elmikiwi) May 29, 2020

[Zambeezi]

#Libya

Watiya, near the Tunisian borders, will soon serve as an airbase for Turkish F-16 jets.#GNA #Turkey #Haftar #UAE #Russia #ليبيا #الوطية #نركيا #حفتر #روسيا #الإمارات pic.twitter.com/29Tb1fyOcV

— Mourad Teyeb (@MouradTeyeb) May 29, 2020

GNA recaptured the airbase on May 18th.
Erdogan can now fill it full of F-16 targets for Haftar's cruise missiles and other 'surprises' from Sissi and Wagner group.

May 19, 2020
Libya: GNA forces retake strategic al-Watiya airbase south-west of Tripoli

[Orange Man Bad]

Academician Arbatov advises Russia to keep distance in relations with China:
"We cannot go back and forth between extremes, from China being the world's greatest threat to it being our strategic ally or partner. One cannot play with such concepts. A strategic ally is when you are ready to send your soldiers to fight for the interests of your ally, and vice versa. I am confident that we don't have and will not have such a situation with China,"

https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/68878/

Wasn't I saying something similar just a few days ago here?

[Orange Man Bad]

Not sure why just one arrest - there were 3 cops kneeling on George Floyd:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/george-floyd-arrest-video-shows-another-angle-with-multiple-officers-84081221791

"In a new video shot from a different angle, one can see how three police officers leaned on the detainee, while he, panting, asks for permission to rise to his feet."

[Zambeezi]

https://t.co/CbwStARocS

— Spriter (@ynms79797979) May 29, 2020

[Zambeezi]

Video of the interception of US Air Force bombs by Russian fightershttps://t.co/y5AToXSAGE

— Spriter (@ynms79797979) May 29, 2020

[Orange Man Bad]

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms (Democrat) implores protesters to go home

[boris]

Morning all

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[boris]

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[boris]

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