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Post by Matjaz Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:13 pm

Guest 12 wrote:Matjaz,

I read and contemplated your response; ultimately you could be correct in what you imply in the case.  As the saying goes, “Those whom you can not defeat, you must join.”  Putin has subscribed to this theory as we can see with his total subservience to the covid protocols and much else.  

It is lamentable what world situation is today with these Satan worshipers having their way with the world.  Matjaz sadly I think you are right, we won’t beat them.  There is always alcohol and memories until we die I guess.  Good luck to everybody here.  Zod you have a good forum, one of the best out there.  Thank you for it.  Good bye all.

They say they are chosen people and maybe that's why fate is always on their side and they come out victorious but it is not because of God. They might be chosen but by devil and it is the devil who runs this material world. Earth is devil's playground.
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Post by 刘汉 Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:18 pm

Matjaz wrote:
Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:I think Muslims should just let go when it comes to Israel. Jews are too strong to fight and are unbeatable when it comes to defending Israeli state. All you do with this conflict is produce numerous casualties. Israel should have its country and Palestinians should get a new patch of land from one of their brotherly Muslim neighbors. I think that would be the smartest move to make. You are trying to fight here with the most developed world(USA/NATO/EU) that has abundant assets in pretty much anything. Israel can not be defeated military. In case that happens they will nuke everything, what kind of victory is this?

Is the fate of Palestinians sad and unjust? Of course, but what can you do? Smartest thing would be like I said, for them to move to a patch of land given by them from one of muslim neighbors. Otherwise this conflict will continue forever and muslims will be on the losing side. Generations damaged and lost in conflicts.

Palestinians aren't going anywhere regardless of the odds and Muslims will never give up Al Aqsa mosque or Jerusalem so keep dreaming Hezbollah showed in 2006 how to fight Israel so this war will continue for hundreds of years if need be and shows why its important that Iran gets nukes to counter zionist nukes.

You see? So that is the main reason, Al Aqsa mosque. Although there were Jews there first not Muslims but somehow Muslims believe it is their site. Islam was born  1600 years after Judaism. That place was holy to Jews and then Christians before Muslims ever came. Don't you think Jews have more rights to that place then Muslims who occupied it by force? Al-Aqsa was built on top of Jewish temple, how disrespectful is that?

And not to troll you but Palestinian numbers are shrinking dramatically in Israel, they are losing huge from decade to decade. It is their stubbornness that will cause their demise. They should just move and start living peacefully because they have no other choice.

Look how bad it is for Palestinians? Jews are getting theirs no matter, just like they are getting theirs elsewhere, whether it be in USA or Europe.
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As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

Even if true, you cannot return after 1900 years and kill and throw out the people, just because it is written in the Tora. Everyone else would be in a lunatics asylum for schizophrenia, only the Zionists get a free pass.

And even if true, what is this for a god that gives the order to Moses and Josua to invade a populated country? What is this for a god to give the order to Esra and Nehemia to lead their people "back" from Babylon not only to throw out non-Jews, but also treat Samaritan Jews as people of a lower class?

To defeat them is possible. The Romans did. Alone they are helpless. They only survive with Western support and the Western power is in decline. The Arabs will not defeat them, but the Persians will do.
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Post by Matjaz Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:21 pm

Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:
Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:I think Muslims should just let go when it comes to Israel. Jews are too strong to fight and are unbeatable when it comes to defending Israeli state. All you do with this conflict is produce numerous casualties. Israel should have its country and Palestinians should get a new patch of land from one of their brotherly Muslim neighbors. I think that would be the smartest move to make. You are trying to fight here with the most developed world(USA/NATO/EU) that has abundant assets in pretty much anything. Israel can not be defeated military. In case that happens they will nuke everything, what kind of victory is this?

Is the fate of Palestinians sad and unjust? Of course, but what can you do? Smartest thing would be like I said, for them to move to a patch of land given by them from one of muslim neighbors. Otherwise this conflict will continue forever and muslims will be on the losing side. Generations damaged and lost in conflicts.

Palestinians aren't going anywhere regardless of the odds and Muslims will never give up Al Aqsa mosque or Jerusalem so keep dreaming Hezbollah showed in 2006 how to fight Israel so this war will continue for hundreds of years if need be and shows why its important that Iran gets nukes to counter zionist nukes.

You see? So that is the main reason, Al Aqsa mosque. Although there were Jews there first not Muslims but somehow Muslims believe it is their site. Islam was born  1600 years after Judaism. That place was holy to Jews and then Christians before Muslims ever came. Don't you think Jews have more rights to that place then Muslims who occupied it by force? Al-Aqsa was built on top of Jewish temple, how disrespectful is that?

And not to troll you but Palestinian numbers are shrinking dramatically in Israel, they are losing huge from decade to decade. It is their stubbornness that will cause their demise. They should just move and start living peacefully because they have no other choice.


Look how bad it is for Palestinians? Jews are getting theirs no matter, just like they are getting theirs elsewhere, whether it be in USA or Europe.
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1. Most Jews in Palestine are Askenazis and have nothing to do with the region historically
2. Romans destroyed temple not muslims
3. Al Aqsa was not built on top of temple thats a zionist myth
4. Palestinian population is now 5 million and birthrate is 4.2 one of the highest in the world and one of fastest growing population in the world
5. 10% of Palestinians are Christians and they are as determined to defend the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and Bethlehem from zionists as muslims are to defend Al Aqsa

Like I said the Palestinians are going nowhere no matter how bad things get so keep dreaming of ethnically cleansing Muslim and Christians from region you zionist clown



You're the one who is clown. It is you who can't differentiate between partisan and objective discussions. I'm completely neutral, all I want is for conflict to end, since this conflict is holding the world hostage and the solution could be very simple if there would not be religious fanaticism involved.

What does it matters what type of Jews are in Israel? They are Jews who follow Judaism and Judaism was there first.
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Post by Matjaz Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:29 pm

刘汉 wrote:
Matjaz wrote:
Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:I think Muslims should just let go when it comes to Israel. Jews are too strong to fight and are unbeatable when it comes to defending Israeli state. All you do with this conflict is produce numerous casualties. Israel should have its country and Palestinians should get a new patch of land from one of their brotherly Muslim neighbors. I think that would be the smartest move to make. You are trying to fight here with the most developed world(USA/NATO/EU) that has abundant assets in pretty much anything. Israel can not be defeated military. In case that happens they will nuke everything, what kind of victory is this?

Is the fate of Palestinians sad and unjust? Of course, but what can you do? Smartest thing would be like I said, for them to move to a patch of land given by them from one of muslim neighbors. Otherwise this conflict will continue forever and muslims will be on the losing side. Generations damaged and lost in conflicts.

Palestinians aren't going anywhere regardless of the odds and Muslims will never give up Al Aqsa mosque or Jerusalem so keep dreaming Hezbollah showed in 2006 how to fight Israel so this war will continue for hundreds of years if need be and shows why its important that Iran gets nukes to counter zionist nukes.

You see? So that is the main reason, Al Aqsa mosque. Although there were Jews there first not Muslims but somehow Muslims believe it is their site. Islam was born  1600 years after Judaism. That place was holy to Jews and then Christians before Muslims ever came. Don't you think Jews have more rights to that place then Muslims who occupied it by force? Al-Aqsa was built on top of Jewish temple, how disrespectful is that?

And not to troll you but Palestinian numbers are shrinking dramatically in Israel, they are losing huge from decade to decade. It is their stubbornness that will cause their demise. They should just move and start living peacefully because they have no other choice.

Look how bad it is for Palestinians? Jews are getting theirs no matter, just like they are getting theirs elsewhere, whether it be in USA or Europe.
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As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

Even if true, you cannot return after 1900 years and kill and throw out the people, just because it is written in the Tora. Everyone else would be in a lunatics asylum for schizophrenia, only the Zionists get a free pass.

And even if true, what is this for a god that gives the order to Moses and Josua to invade a populated country? What is this for a god to give the order to Esra and Nehemia to lead their people "back" from Babylon not only to throw out non-Jews, but also treat Samaritan Jews as people of a lower class?

To defeat them is possible. The Romans did. Alone they are helpless. They only survive with Western support  and the Western power is in decline. The Arabs will not defeat them, but the Persians will do.

Yes you can, just as Muslims came and occupied the area, everyone else has the same right as long as they are military capable. It is the way world runs.

And don't preach about what Yahwee allows and what it doesn't. People will fight for their culture or faith no matter how pacifist that faith might be. If they don't then they are destined to extinction. Same questions could be applied to muslims. How did the muslims treated non muslims when they occupied Israel or how do Muslims treat non muslims today in Saudia, Iran or elsewhere?
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Post by Matjaz Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:55 pm

刘汉 wrote:
As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

What you wrote is called "a campaign of intellectual erasure", I believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_denial

I thought there is no dilema about whether that place is historical land of Jews. They were there for certain before any Muslim arrived.

There's been plenty of artefacts found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Warning_inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeting_Place_inscription

These are not part of Temple but they are artefacts that prove Jews were there before Muslims.

And then there is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Stone

All this stuff was there centuries before Muslims came.
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Post by Talos Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:55 pm

刘汉 wrote:
Matjaz wrote:
Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:I think Muslims should just let go when it comes to Israel. Jews are too strong to fight and are unbeatable when it comes to defending Israeli state. All you do with this conflict is produce numerous casualties. Israel should have its country and Palestinians should get a new patch of land from one of their brotherly Muslim neighbors. I think that would be the smartest move to make. You are trying to fight here with the most developed world(USA/NATO/EU) that has abundant assets in pretty much anything. Israel can not be defeated military. In case that happens they will nuke everything, what kind of victory is this?

Is the fate of Palestinians sad and unjust? Of course, but what can you do? Smartest thing would be like I said, for them to move to a patch of land given by them from one of muslim neighbors. Otherwise this conflict will continue forever and muslims will be on the losing side. Generations damaged and lost in conflicts.

Palestinians aren't going anywhere regardless of the odds and Muslims will never give up Al Aqsa mosque or Jerusalem so keep dreaming Hezbollah showed in 2006 how to fight Israel so this war will continue for hundreds of years if need be and shows why its important that Iran gets nukes to counter zionist nukes.

You see? So that is the main reason, Al Aqsa mosque. Although there were Jews there first not Muslims but somehow Muslims believe it is their site. Islam was born  1600 years after Judaism. That place was holy to Jews and then Christians before Muslims ever came. Don't you think Jews have more rights to that place then Muslims who occupied it by force? Al-Aqsa was built on top of Jewish temple, how disrespectful is that?

And not to troll you but Palestinian numbers are shrinking dramatically in Israel, they are losing huge from decade to decade. It is their stubbornness that will cause their demise. They should just move and start living peacefully because they have no other choice.

Look how bad it is for Palestinians? Jews are getting theirs no matter, just like they are getting theirs elsewhere, whether it be in USA or Europe.
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As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

Even if true, you cannot return after 1900 years and kill and throw out the people, just because it is written in the Tora. Everyone else would be in a lunatics asylum for schizophrenia, only the Zionists get a free pass.

And even if true, what is this for a god that gives the order to Moses and Josua to invade a populated country? What is this for a god to give the order to Esra and Nehemia to lead their people "back" from Babylon not only to throw out non-Jews, but also treat Samaritan Jews as people of a lower class?

To defeat them is possible. The Romans did. Alone they are helpless. They only survive with Western support  and the Western power is in decline. The Arabs will not defeat them, but the Persians will do.

That is true even the jews own religious books admit the Canaanite people were in the land before them and they killed and stole the land from them. Studies of Canaanite bones find they share DNA with Lebanese and various Eastern Orthodox Syrian and Palestinian groups.

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Post by 刘汉 Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:59 pm

Matjaz wrote:
刘汉 wrote:
Matjaz wrote:
Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:I think Muslims should just let go when it comes to Israel. Jews are too strong to fight and are unbeatable when it comes to defending Israeli state. All you do with this conflict is produce numerous casualties. Israel should have its country and Palestinians should get a new patch of land from one of their brotherly Muslim neighbors. I think that would be the smartest move to make. You are trying to fight here with the most developed world(USA/NATO/EU) that has abundant assets in pretty much anything. Israel can not be defeated military. In case that happens they will nuke everything, what kind of victory is this?

Is the fate of Palestinians sad and unjust? Of course, but what can you do? Smartest thing would be like I said, for them to move to a patch of land given by them from one of muslim neighbors. Otherwise this conflict will continue forever and muslims will be on the losing side. Generations damaged and lost in conflicts.

Palestinians aren't going anywhere regardless of the odds and Muslims will never give up Al Aqsa mosque or Jerusalem so keep dreaming Hezbollah showed in 2006 how to fight Israel so this war will continue for hundreds of years if need be and shows why its important that Iran gets nukes to counter zionist nukes.

You see? So that is the main reason, Al Aqsa mosque. Although there were Jews there first not Muslims but somehow Muslims believe it is their site. Islam was born  1600 years after Judaism. That place was holy to Jews and then Christians before Muslims ever came. Don't you think Jews have more rights to that place then Muslims who occupied it by force? Al-Aqsa was built on top of Jewish temple, how disrespectful is that?

And not to troll you but Palestinian numbers are shrinking dramatically in Israel, they are losing huge from decade to decade. It is their stubbornness that will cause their demise. They should just move and start living peacefully because they have no other choice.

Look how bad it is for Palestinians? Jews are getting theirs no matter, just like they are getting theirs elsewhere, whether it be in USA or Europe.
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As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

Even if true, you cannot return after 1900 years and kill and throw out the people, just because it is written in the Tora. Everyone else would be in a lunatics asylum for schizophrenia, only the Zionists get a free pass.

And even if true, what is this for a god that gives the order to Moses and Josua to invade a populated country? What is this for a god to give the order to Esra and Nehemia to lead their people "back" from Babylon not only to throw out non-Jews, but also treat Samaritan Jews as people of a lower class?

To defeat them is possible. The Romans did. Alone they are helpless. They only survive with Western support  and the Western power is in decline. The Arabs will not defeat them, but the Persians will do.

Yes you can, just as Muslims came and occupied the area, everyone else has the same right as long as they are military capable. It is the way world runs.

And don't preach about what Yahwee allows and what it doesn't. People will fight for their culture or faith no matter how pacifist that faith might be. If they don't then they are destined to extinction. Same questions could be applied to muslims. How did the muslims treated non muslims when they occupied Israel or how do Muslims treat non muslims today in Saudia, Iran or elsewhere?

All, who belonged to a book-religion (Jews > Tora, Christians > Euangelion and Sabaeans > Writings of Hermes Trismegistos) were suddenly free citizens, who just had to pay a tax, the jiziya. This was very attractive to many. That's why Islam spread like wildfire. Slaves could only be made among non-book-religions. One of the vizirs in Damascus, Ioannes Damaskenos was a leading Christian by the way. The Jewish schools in Mesopotamia flourished under the Muslims.


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Post by 刘汉 Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:07 pm

Matjaz wrote:
刘汉 wrote:
As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

What you wrote is called "a campaign of intellectual erasure", I believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_denial

I thought there is no dilema about whether that place is historical land of Jews. They were there for certain before any Muslim arrived.

There's been plenty of artefacts found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Warning_inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeting_Place_inscription

These are not part of Temple but they are artefacts that prove Jews were there before Muslims.

And then there is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Stone

All this stuff was there centuries before Muslims came.

First there is a dilemma. wikipedia is not a good source for this, because it is under full Zionist control.

You need to make a distinction between the temple of Solomon (the "first" temple) and the temple of Herodes (the "second" temple). From the first there are zero remains, the second one is proven, but the second one was built on a place some Jews in Babylon said, that they had lived before, without any prove. And there is a long discussion in Ancient Studies, how and when the Tora was written.
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Post by Talos Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:15 pm

Matjaz wrote:
刘汉 wrote:
As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

What you wrote is called "a campaign of intellectual erasure", I believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_denial

I thought there is no dilema about whether that place is historical land of Jews. They were there for certain before any Muslim arrived.

There's been plenty of artefacts found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Warning_inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeting_Place_inscription

These are not part of Temple but they are artefacts that prove Jews were there before Muslims.

And then there is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Stone

All this stuff was there centuries before Muslims came.

Why do you keep trying to turn it into a Muslim and Jew conflict? when its a muslim, christian and druze together against jews conflict?

1. Sirhan Sirhan the Palestinian who killed Robert F. Kennedy was a Christian.

2. Chris Bandak the leader of the Church of the Nativity brigade is Christian

3. Wadie Haddad the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine militia was a Christian

4. George Habash a founding member of Fatah military wing is christian

5. Theodosios Hanna of Sebastia/Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem is a Palestinian and has been arrested dozens of times by zionists for calling them christ killers

6. Vera Baboun the christian Palestinian female mayor of Bethlehem
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Post by 刘汉 Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:26 pm

Talos wrote:
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As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

What you wrote is called "a campaign of intellectual erasure", I believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_denial

I thought there is no dilema about whether that place is historical land of Jews. They were there for certain before any Muslim arrived.

There's been plenty of artefacts found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Warning_inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeting_Place_inscription

These are not part of Temple but they are artefacts that prove Jews were there before Muslims.

And then there is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Stone

All this stuff was there centuries before Muslims came.

Why do you keep trying to turn it into a Muslim and Jew conflict? when its a muslim, christian and druze together against jews conflict?

1. Sirhan Sirhan the Palestinian who killed Robert F. Kennedy was a Christian.

2. Chris Bandak the leader of the Church of the Nativity brigade is Christian

3. Wadie Haddad the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine militia was a Christian

4. George Habash a founding member of Fatah military wing is christian

5. Theodosios Hanna of Sebastia/Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem is a Palestinian and has been arrested dozens of times by zionists for calling them christ killers

6. Vera Baboun the christian Palestinian female mayor of Bethlehem

I would even say, it's a Zionist vs. Jew, Christian, Muslim and Druze conflict. Because, in all the centuries between the destruction of the second temple by the Romans and the arrival of the Zionist terrorist groups, there were orthodox Jews living in Jerusalem all the time. They had only the normal problems with their neighbours, but with the Zionists and their regime, they had big problems. They resist a Jewish state. They speak Arabic and read Hebrew, but the Zionists speak Ivrit, this artificial new language.
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Post by Talos Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:52 pm

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Talos wrote:
Matjaz wrote:
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As hard as Zionists try, they cannot prove, that Jews were there first. They have their own archaeologists to look for Jewish remains, but how bad, they cannot find any (Silverman & Finkelstein: The bible unearthed, they are Jews and archaeologists, their were paid by the Zionist regime to excavate in Israel and they openly admit, that they cannot find the temple of Solomon, because there is none.).

What you wrote is called "a campaign of intellectual erasure", I believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_denial

I thought there is no dilema about whether that place is historical land of Jews. They were there for certain before any Muslim arrived.

There's been plenty of artefacts found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Warning_inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeting_Place_inscription

These are not part of Temple but they are artefacts that prove Jews were there before Muslims.

And then there is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Stone

All this stuff was there centuries before Muslims came.

Why do you keep trying to turn it into a Muslim and Jew conflict? when its a muslim, christian and druze together against jews conflict?

1. Sirhan Sirhan the Palestinian who killed Robert F. Kennedy was a Christian.

2. Chris Bandak the leader of the Church of the Nativity brigade is Christian

3. Wadie Haddad the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine militia was a Christian

4. George Habash a founding member of Fatah military wing is christian

5. Theodosios Hanna of Sebastia/Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem is a Palestinian and has been arrested dozens of times by zionists for calling them christ killers

6. Vera Baboun the christian Palestinian female mayor of Bethlehem

I would even say, it's a Zionist vs. Jew, Christian, Muslim and Druze conflict. Because, in all the centuries between the destruction of the second temple by the Romans and the arrival of the Zionist terrorist groups, there were orthodox Jews living in Jerusalem all the time. They had only the normal problems with their neighbours, but with the Zionists and their regime, they had big problems. They resist a Jewish state. They speak Arabic and read Hebrew, but the Zionists speak Ivrit, this artificial new language.

The problem is definitely the ashkenazi/russian zionists if you got rid of them i think the Mizrahi Jews, Ethiopian jews and Sephardi Jews could live in peace. All the crazy people like Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon and Bennet are polish or russian and invaded the area after WW2 all the israelis you see attacking churches, mosques and non jewish people are european askenazis
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Post by an0n Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:22 pm

you all seem to forget that before Judaism, Christianity and Islam there were other religions. older religions..

Zoroastrianism or Mazdayasna is one of the world's oldest continuously-practiced religions, based on the teachings of the Iranian-speaking prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zaraθuštra in Avestan or as Zartosht in Modern Persian).[1][2] It has a dualistic cosmology of good and evil and an eschatology which predicts the ultimate conquest of evil by good.[3] Zoroastrianism exalts an uncreated and benevolent deity of wisdom known as Ahura Mazda (lit. 'Wise Lord') as its supreme being.[4] The unique historical features of Zoroastrianism, such as its monotheism,[5][6][7][8][9][excessive citations] messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems, including Gnosticism, Greek philosophy,[10] Islam,[11] and the Baháʼí Faith.

With possible roots dating back to the 2nd millennium BCE, Zoroastrianism enters recorded history in the 5th century BCE.[12] It served as the state religion of the ancient Iranian empires for more than a millennium, from around 600 BCE to 650 CE, but declined from the 7th century CE onwards as a direct result of the Muslim conquest of Persia (633–654 CE) which led to the large-scale persecution of the Zoroastrian people.[13] Recent estimates place the current number of Zoroastrians in the world at around 110,000–120,000[14] at most, with the majority living in India, Iran, and North America; their number has been thought to be declining.
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Canaanite religion refers to the group of ancient Semitic religions practiced by the Canaanites living in the ancient Levant from at least the early Bronze Age through the first centuries AD. Canaanite religion was polytheistic and, in some cases, monolatristic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Canaanite_religion

According to critical scholars, the Torah consists of inconsistent texts edited together in a way that calls attention to divergent accounts.[39][page needed][40][41] Several of these scholars, such as Professor Martin Rose and John Bright, suggest that during the First Temple period the people of Israel believed that each nation had its own god, but that their god was superior to other gods.[42][page needed][43][page needed] Some suggest that strict monotheism developed during the Babylonian Exile, perhaps in reaction to Zoroastrian dualism.[44] In this view, it was only by the Hellenic period that most Jews came to believe that their god was the only god and that the notion of a clearly bounded Jewish nation identical with the Jewish religion formed.[45] John Day argues that the origins of biblical Yahweh, El, Asherah, and Ba'al, may be rooted in earlier Canaanite religion, which was centered on a pantheon of gods much like the Greek pantheon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism#History

Ancient Greek religion encompasses the collection of beliefs, rituals, and mythology originating in ancient Greece in the form of both popular public religion and cult practices. The application of the modern concept of "religion" to ancient cultures has been questioned as anachronistic.[1] The ancient Greeks did not have a word for 'religion' in the modern sense. Likewise, no Greek writer known to us classifies either the gods or the cult practices into separate 'religions'.[2] Instead, for example, Herodotus speaks of the Hellenes as having "common shrines of the gods and sacrifices, and the same kinds of customs." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_religion

Judaism is pretty new religion. historically speaking. as is Christianity and Islam

Jews claim on the land is based on the contract with a god

The Hebrew Bible makes reference to a number of covenants (Hebrew: בְּרִיתוֹת‎) with God (YHWH). These include the Noahic Covenant (in Genesis), which is between God and all living creatures, as well as a number of more specific covenants with Abraham, the whole Israelite people, the Israelite priesthood, and the Davidic lineage of kings. In form and terminology, these covenants echo the kinds of treaty agreements in the surrounding ancient world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_(biblical)

but the problem is...this contract disappeared when Babylon sacked Jerusalem in the 6th century BCE. In the thousands of years since it has never been found. it would be only logical for Jews to produce this contract and things will be settled....problem is..Jews do not have this contract in their possession. and have no proof that this type of contract was ever signed.

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(February 14, 2019) Why The World Health Organization Treats Bill Gates Like A President
With contributions from the Gates Foundation that are higher than those of any national government to the WHO
except the United States, the WHO clearly no longer has any independence in the field of health.
After it has exchanged scientific credibility for financing by business interests,
the WHO's advice on the prevention and control of diseases can no longer be trusted.

With the money donated by Gates, he undoubtedly buys a lot of attention from the WHO.
To illustrate the extent to which he 'took possession of the organization',
the picture at the top of this article shows him next to Margaret Chan,
WHO director between 2007 and 2017, at a press conference in Geneva.

The increased influence of Gates during Chan's tenure on WHO has led him
to be referred to by some as "the world's most powerful physician."
Persbureau Politico has pointed out that the size of its donations has given Gates an extraordinary influence on the WHO's agenda.
The first person to hold a keynote speech at a WHA meeting said that Gates' authority at the WHO is similar to that of a head of state.

Considering this, it is not difficult to assume that if Gates ever threatened to withdraw its gigantic funding,
the WHO would inevitably adapt its policy to its will. It is even said that the appointment in 2017 of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
(ex GAVI board member) as the new director general of the WHO support came from Bill Gates.

modernghana.com/news/915838/why-the-world-health-organization-treats-bill-gate.html
apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/279445/A71_INF2-en.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
who.int/about/finances-accountability/reports/A72_INF5-en.pdf?ua=1
weforum.org/agenda/2019/11/polio-eradication-vaccines-world-health-organization/

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(May 23, 2017) Former Gavi Board member Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is elected Director General of the World Health Organisation (WHO)
gavi.org/gavi-welcomes-election-of-new-who-chief

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Im not convinced that thing is female

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(November 2015) Philanthropic Power and Development
Who shapes the agenda?


..However, it is not only “big business” but also “big philanthropy” that has an increasing influence
in global development policy, particularly large philanthropic foundations. The scope of their influence in both past
and present discourse and decision-making processes is fully equal, and in some cases goes beyond that of other private actors.

Through the sheer size of their grant-making, personal networking and active advocacy, large global foundations,
most notably the Rockefeller Foundation and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have played an increasingly active
role in shaping the agenda-setting and funding priorities of international organizations and governments.

The roots of modern philanthropy can be traced back to the beginning of the 20th century in the United States
when business tycoons John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie set up the first large American foundations,
primarily as a way to shield some of their income from taxation but also as a way to garner prestige and influence in the US and world affairs.

The Rockefeller Foundation was established in 1913, two years after the US Supreme Court ruled that John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Company,
was an illegal monopoly and ordered it to be broken up into smaller companies. The dissolution of the then world’s largest oil company
made its founder and major shareholder John D. Rockefeller the richest man in the world.
With the establishment of his foundation, he could insulate a large part of his fortune from income and inheritance taxes.

Two decades later, in the 1930s, high rates of income and estate taxes in the USA led to a proliferation of US foundations
set up by wealthy individuals, including cereal magnate W.K. Kellogg and car manufacturer Henry Ford.
In 1936, Ford and his son Edsel established the Ford Foundation, which became for years the largest,
and one of the most influential foundations with global reach and programmes all over the world.

In 1998, before the official establishment of the Gates Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates
created the Bill & Melinda Gates Children’s Vaccine Programme and equipped it with a donation of US$100 million.
This programme, administered by PATH’s secretariat at its Seattle-based headquarters, prepared the ground
for the family’s interest in global health and for the approach it followed in all of its activities in this area.
One purpose of the Children’s Vaccine Programme was the establishment of international consensus on recommendations for vaccine use.

Subsequently Gates sponsored several meetings that led to the creation of the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) Alliance.
The Gates Foundation provided an initial five-year pledge of US$750 million as seed money to launch this global public-private partnership
in 2000 and has remained its driving force and its largest donor. Between 2000 and 2014
the Gates Foundation contributed 23 percent (US$2,287.94 million) of the total donor funding of around US$9.9 billion.

In 2010, Bill Gates was appointed by the UN Secretary-General to his MDG Advocacy Group
to support him in building political will, rallying additional support, and spurring collective action
to achieve the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) by 2015. Three years later,
Bill and Melinda Gates along with a youth representative were the only “civil society” speakers
in the plenary of the Special Event of the UN General Assembly on the MDGs and Post 2015 in September 2013.

Since 1998, the Gates Foundation and its predecessor, the William H. Gates Foundation,
have donated US$2.1 billion by way of more than 200 grants to the WHO.
This makes the Foundation the largest non-state funder of the WHO and,
in 2014, the second largest donor overall (after the USA).
The Gates Foundation’s grants are earmarked contributions and
as such influence, de facto, the priority setting of the WHO.

In addition, the Gates Foundation also contributes indirectly to the
WHO budget through its funding of the GAVI Alliance, PATH, the UN Foundation and the Global Fund,
all of which provide substantial funding to WHO programmes. GAVI alone contributed US$222.94 million
to the WHO in the biennium 2012-2013.89

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(November 13, 2020) First ever vaccine listed under WHO emergency use
WHO today listed the nOPV2 vaccine (Bio Farma, Indonesia) for emergency use
to address the rising cases of a vaccine-derived polio strain
in a number of African and East Mediterranean countries.
Countries in WHO’s Western Pacific and South-East Asia regions
are also affected by these outbreaks. The emergency use listing,
or EUL, is the first of its kind for a vaccine and paves the way for potential listing of COVID-19 vaccines.
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She reminds me of my grandmothers toilet roll cosy from back in the 70s.

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She reminds me of my grandmothers toilet roll cosy from back in the 70s.

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OK, she looks like Mrs Doubtfire fresh out of the wind tunnel ...

What expertise does she bring? Law and administration degree. Sure thing.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Lambrecht#Leben

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Lambrecht#Education_and_early_career

But the rest of the ministerial posts are similarly erratically filled; we have probably never had such an assembly of amateur actors.

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

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"investments, trade, security"

Is this the new name for a barrel without a bottom?

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

Ceterum censeo Imperium Americanum esse delendum.

Die Lage ist hoffnungslos aber nicht ernst.
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KneelB4Zod! wrote:ASB News / MILITARYPart
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"investments, trade, security"

Is this the new name for a barrel without a bottom?

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Meanwhile, we couldn't get our £140 cold weather payment for this winter, and nor will thousands of others. But Boris has opened the coffers to the UkroNazis.

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Mr Badger wrote:
Böhse Tante wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:ASB News / MILITARYPart
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Ukraine: “Great news from London: Britain will allocate an additional 1 billion pounds in support of Ukraine. These are new investments, trade, security. As a result of my negotiations with
@BorisJohnson
last year, the amount of total British support will increase to 3.5 billion”

.

"investments, trade, security"

Is this the new name for a barrel without a bottom?

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Meanwhile, we couldn't get our £140 cold weather payment for this winter, and nor will thousands of others. But Boris has opened the coffers to the UkroNazis.

Looks like Mr piss wind and bullshit Boris Johnson is re-introducing restrictions again the vaxxed got vaxxed for nothing

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